Todd Cordell: Too Little Too Late For The Devils As They Top The Penguins 3-2

lol 1 year ago

Glad to hear Gelinas looked good how is he in comparison to Urbom is he farther along or are they about the same or vice versa also I am very interested in the fact you said you did not think Volchenkov will get his 100 assist with the Devils do you think he is bought out or they try and interest him in being traded somewhere ? what do you think about some of the other guys like Poni Sully and Dags are they back for another year I think they might give Dags a shot just because he is younger then both the other guys by a lot and I don't see Lou wanting to bring in too many new faces next year all though he will make changes I feel he wont want to many new guys because we have always been a systems team and he has had time in our system

Glad to hear Gelinas looked good how is he in comparison to Urbom is he farther along or are they about the same or vice versa also I am very interested in the fact you said you did not think Volchenkov will get his 100 assist with the Devils do you think he is bought out or they try and interest him in being traded somewhere ? what do you think about some of the other guys like Poni Sully and Dags are they back for another year I think they might give Dags a shot just because he is younger then both the other guys by a lot and I don't see Lou wanting to bring in too many new faces next year all though he will make changes I feel he wont want to many new guys because we have always been a systems team and he has had time in our system
- blizzzard

Gelinas' offensive game is certainly better than Urbom's. I could see Volchenkov being amnesty'd, too. And of Ponikarovsky, Sullivan and D'Agostini I'd re-sign D'Agostini first.

Gelinas' offensive game is certainly better than Urbom's. I could see Volchenkov being amnesty'd, too. And of Ponikarovsky, Sullivan and D'Agostini I'd re-sign D'Agostini first.
- Todd.Cordell

who are some potential buy out candidates from other teams we might go after any ideas

Gelinas' offensive game is certainly better than Urbom's. I could see Volchenkov being amnesty'd, too. And of Ponikarovsky, Sullivan and D'Agostini I'd re-sign D'Agostini first.
- Todd.Cordell

I agree, but I'm still undecided if I want to see Sullivan and D'agostini back. I think they can both be useful players in the right role, but neither should start the season in our top 6.

I'm not sure Volchenkov will get bought out.

The Devils' tinkering starts by letting Zidlicky walk. Given the amount of d-men the Devils have in their system, they should play the rotating game and let the right ones step up.

And really, it doesn't hurt their drafting. When you're drafting past 6, you have the same percentage chance at landing an all star as you would picking 25th. The only difference between between 6 and 12 would be that a player might have something a 5% better chance to be a 2nd liner rather than a 3rd liner. It's minute. So whether we're drafting in 9th or in 12th, really no difference.

I know this because, like Eklund, I've been preaching for six or seven years how dumb the current lottery system is and decided to study the statistics. Bottom line: The first and second overall pick have about a 63% and 57% chance to become an all star player respectively, and the 5th overall less than half that chance. At 6th beyond, really little change, all floating from 6-16%ish. The 2nd and 3rd line factors are also much greater for 2nd-5th while again at 6th and lower remain stagnant for the rest of the first round. If you're drafting 25th, for example, you're drafting a player closer to the quality of 6th overall than you are from 6th overall to 3rd overall.

What makes this system so ridiculous is that between first overall and 10th overall might only be about 10-12 points in many years. Teams that draft 6th-14th every year end up getting looped and staying "in the margins" like what happened to Florida, the Islanders, Phoenix for a while, Dallas, etc.

Plus from what I see from the crop this year, the Devils are probably going to get a pretty good player at that position.

Gelinas' offensive game is certainly better than Urbom's. I could see Volchenkov being amnesty'd, too. And of Ponikarovsky, Sullivan and D'Agostini I'd re-sign D'Agostini first.
- Todd.Cordell

I hope they bring dags back

How many times has Volchenkov made a soft pass into the middle of the ice directly to a defender which results into a goal?

I like him but his cement skates makes it hard to keep supporting the guy. Whenever the puck is in his feet he looks like a fish out of water.

This may sound trollish?

But..... An impressive win? The Pens have nothing to play for and their play the last couple of games have shown that?

But on the positive side, I think you guys will be right back in the mix next year!

This may sound trollish?

But..... An impressive win? The Pens have nothing to play for and their play the last couple of games have shown that?

But on the positive side, I think you guys will be right back in the mix next year!
- Francois Leroux

you're right. it's just a pity feel good sentiment from a joke of a franchise.

you're right. it's just a pity feel good sentiment from a joke of a franchise.
- MrToast

Bwhahaha you guys aren't that bad. You could be the Panthers!!

I'm not sure Volchenkov will get bought out.

The Devils' tinkering starts by letting Zidlicky walk. Given the amount of d-men the Devils have in their system, they should play the rotating game and let the right ones step up.

And really, it doesn't hurt their drafting. When you're drafting past 6, you have the same percentage chance at landing an all star as you would picking 25th. The only difference between between 6 and 12 would be that a player might have something a 5% better chance to be a 2nd liner rather than a 3rd liner. It's minute. So whether we're drafting in 9th or in 12th, really no difference.

I know this because, like Eklund, I've been preaching for six or seven years how dumb the current lottery system is and decided to study the statistics. Bottom line: The first and second overall pick have about a 63% and 57% chance to become an all star player respectively, and the 5th overall less than half that chance. At 6th beyond, really little change, all floating from 6-16%ish. The 2nd and 3rd line factors are also much greater for 2nd-5th while again at 6th and lower remain stagnant for the rest of the first round. If you're drafting 25th, for example, you're drafting a player closer to the quality of 6th overall than you are from 6th overall to 3rd overall.

What makes this system so ridiculous is that between first overall and 10th overall might only be about 10-12 points in many years. Teams that draft 6th-14th every year end up getting looped and staying "in the margins" like what happened to Florida, the Islanders, Phoenix for a while, Dallas, etc.

Plus from what I see from the crop this year, the Devils are probably going to get a pretty good player at that position.
- archromat

My biggest issue with the system is that you can only drop 1 spot. If you place last you get a top 2 pick. If there are more opportunities to move up/down, placement won't matter as much and teams won't tank as much.

Bwhahaha you guys aren't that bad. You could be the Panthers!!
- Francois Leroux

I think right now most Devils fans are wishing they had the Panthers record and the chance to draft Jones?

I think right now most Devils fans are wishing they had the Panthers record and the chance to draft Jones?
- Cptmjl

meh I wouldn't draft him if we had number 1 pick could be just me but I don't get why he is the clear cut number one he struggled at the world juniors and I have not seen 1 single highlight of him on any sports show but I have seen multiple of drouin when it is all said and done years from now I don't think jones will be the best player to go in the first round not saying he wont be good but I think he isn't as good as everyone else seems to just my opinion and we have too many d at the nhl level and lots in the system and im not saying he wouldn't be an improvement but I feel it is now time to take a forward for us also it has nothing to do with him being American for the record

meh I wouldn't draft him if we had number 1 pick could be just me but I don't get why he is the clear cut number one he struggled at the world juniors and I have not seen 1 single highlight of him on any sports show but I have seen multiple of drouin when it is all said and done years from now I don't think jones will be the best player to go in the first round not saying he wont be good but I think he isn't as good as everyone else seems to just my opinion and we have too many d at the nhl level and lots in the system and im not saying he wouldn't be an improvement but I feel it is now time to take a forward for us also it has nothing to do with him being American for the record
- blizzzard

What do you mean he struggled at the WJC? You could argue he was team USAs best player. He is definitely deserving of going 1st overall, although I agree that if we had that pick we shouldn't pick him. I would much rather trade down 2-3 spots to grab some other kind of asset and still be able to get one of the extremely skilled forwards that would still be available(Barkov, Drouin, Mackinnon, Lindholm, etc.)

What do you mean he struggled at the WJC? You could argue he was team USAs best player. He is definitely deserving of going 1st overall, although I agree that if we had that pick we shouldn't pick him. I would much rather trade down 2-3 spots to grab some other kind of asset and still be able to get one of the extremely skilled forwards that would still be available(Barkov, Drouin, Mackinnon, Lindholm, etc.)
- bobert836

Trouba was the best US player hands down and I didn't look anything up he could have a had a better tournament then I recall I just remember early on they where saying how he had been making bad passes and was getting rushed but I feel like he is like the Ryan Murray of this draft the best D man by far come draft time but when it is all said and done not the guy who is going to be the best and that is just my opinion lots of scouts say I am wrong there is a lot of reason you could say I am wrong as well just how I feel and I would sh*t my pants if we got Drouin

I think right now most Devils fans are wishing they had the Panthers record and the chance to draft Jones?
- Cptmjl

Jones would be nice but this team isn't a last place team...we will get the pick we deserve to fill the hole in the team...to be honest I was hoping for a tank from this team but I'm glad we come to play every game...that's what separates the average teams from the great teams.

Trouba was the best US player hands down and I didn't look anything up he could have a had a better tournament then I recall I just remember early on they where saying how he had been making bad passes and was getting rushed but I feel like he is like the Ryan Murray of this draft the best D man by far come draft time but when it is all said and done not the guy who is going to be the best and that is just my opinion lots of scouts say I am wrong there is a lot of reason you could say I am wrong as well just how I feel and I would sh*t my pants if we got Drouin
- blizzzard

He made a few mistakes but overall still very good and showed all the tools to be a great defensman. You have to keep in mind he was still only 17 against the best 18, 19 and 20 year olds, some with NHL experience. I think he will end up being the best player of the draft (but I am not a scout.)

What do you mean he struggled at the WJC? You could argue he was team USAs best player. He is definitely deserving of going 1st overall, although I agree that if we had that pick we shouldn't pick him. I would much rather trade down 2-3 spots to grab some other kind of asset and still be able to get one of the extremely skilled forwards that would still be available(Barkov, Drouin, Mackinnon, Lindholm, etc.)
- bobert836

If we got the first pick, I'd still go with Jones. I just think he's that good. I would rather address our wholes by trading our other D prospects and build around Merrill, Jones, and Larsson. Not that it matters because we won't be picking first.

meh I wouldn't draft him if we had number 1 pick could be just me but I don't get why he is the clear cut number one he struggled at the world juniors and I have not seen 1 single highlight of him on any sports show but I have seen multiple of drouin when it is all said and done years from now I don't think jones will be the best player to go in the first round not saying he wont be good but I think he isn't as good as everyone else seems to just my opinion and we have too many d at the nhl level and lots in the system and im not saying he wouldn't be an improvement but I feel it is now time to take a forward for us also it has nothing to do with him being American for the record
- blizzzard

Yes you clearly know more than NHL scouts and experts who all have him as the 1st pick. You probably haven't even watched him. And how did he struggle at WJC? Ridiculous post.

I feel he wont want to many new guys because we have always been a systems team and he has had time in our system
- blizzzard

we brought in a handful of new players this season and they learned the system in a week. We have all of camp/preseason to teach hopefully GOOD players our system.

I agree, but I'm still undecided if I want to see Sullivan and D'agostini back. I think they can both be useful players in the right role, but neither should start the season in our top 6.
- rmdevil313

agreed. I like D'Agostini's skating strength.. but Sullivan has much better smarts and skill.. he's just slowing down with age.

What about Briere? Seems like he is likely to get bought out. Guy has a ton of skill, though he is getting old. I wouldn't mind him, he is clutch and could help the PP.

What about Briere? Seems like he is likely to get bought out. Guy has a ton of skill, though he is getting old. I wouldn't mind him, he is clutch and could help the PP.
- Rseen

Briere doesn't play the wing well and we already have a logjam at center, I'd pass.